In this podcast episode, Mark Buckley interviews Jeff Gokee, founder of Phoenix One, discussing the evolution of the ministry, personal struggles in leadership, and the importance of mercy and self-care. They explore the challenges faced by church leaders, the role of pain in spiritual growth, and the necessity of taking personal responsibility in ministry. Jeff shares insights on navigating conflict, understanding imperfection in relationships, and the significance of prioritizing staff health to foster a healthy church environment.